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Anonymous 0139e2dfc7cb7e7b65094991a721f336 started this discussion 2 months (2008-10-09 23:05:37 UTC) ago:
Seriously. This so-called "disease" is not a disease at all. It's a personality type, and one of the least retarded ones at that.
It says more about the society in general than it does about the people with "Asperger syndrome" that this personality type is considered "weird".
Oh, and anyone who goes around talking about how he/she has "Asperger syndrome", or even accepts it, doesn't actually have it; he or she is just fucking retarded.
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Anonymous a7b639f0c12b72d202ac31b75cceb5cd replied with this 2 months (2008-10-09 23:10:15 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#68,068):
How the fuck can YOU possibly call anyone else retarded? Jesus christ open up your fucking mind, then do the same for your eyes.
Anonymous 0139e2dfc7cb7e7b65094991a721f336 (OP) replied with this 2 months (2008-10-09 23:17:26 UTC) ago, 7 minutes later (#68,073):
@68,068> How the fuck can YOU possibly call anyone else retarded?What's that supposed to mean?
Anonymous 12b55267c868e62db6437704414bb229 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-09 23:19:17 UTC) ago, 2 minutes later (#68,075):
I think you're stretching the definition of "personality" a little bit. I wouldn't say that Asperger syndrome is a type of personality, instead it's a different "neural setup" from what we've come to accept as normal. I'm not saying that it's a disease, it's just something completely different from what everyone else is "equipped" with. People with Asperger syndrome are fundamentally different from the majority, it's not just a small personality difference. OP, do you think ADD is just a personality difference, or the result of a physical neural setup?
Anonymous 174b259a0713db2c9cd5c2185b8fe9d6 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 01:26:53 UTC) ago, 2 hours later (#68,112):
Asperger's Syndrome is very real and frankly I find it strange you choose not to believe it. If there are any false disorders, ADD is sure to be among the top on a skeptics list.
Anyway, my brother coached a little 7 y/o boy with asperger's. His account of what happened (paraphrasing a bit):
"Asperger's syndrome makes you have these concepts in your head you just can't get over. For instance, Dylan (the boy he mentored) really loves trains and planes and stuff. He had a bag of planes, and he would reach in and sight unseen would pull out the plane and through touch alone identify the exact model. (reaches in figurative bag and pulls) *ltitle boy voice* 'F15 TOMCAT' and puts it back."
Is this normal for a 7 y/o? No. Neither is being afraid of the pool.
Aspergers doesnt mean you're INSANE, it just means you have ultra- precise concepts in your head that interfere with proper social interactions.
Anonymous 21e89cc617d6dd7cb87698b297255cd0 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 01:39:50 UTC) ago, 13 minutes later (#68,120):
This is all symptomatic of the cancer that is modern psychology. Ever since the world threw Freud's teachings out the window, the precedent has been that psychology has been based off of what sounds good rather than whatever horrifying truth experimentation uncovers about the human mind.
As a result, our modern psychological institution can't tell a neurosis from a psychosomatic condition from an organic condition, and all anybody knows how to do is label whatever "problem" they see and use a few empty statistical tests to prove to the psychological community that it's a "disorder" so they can begin passing out pills.
It's no small wonder that psychology gains so little respect these days - it doesn't deserve any.
Side note, what the hell is a "disorder" anyway? In what psychological framework of the mind is a "disorder" a coherent idea rather than a simple societal judgement of a person?
Anonymous 5e1b2dc73d60df5328ef43772d79debd replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 02:06:18 UTC) ago, 26 minutes later (#68,133):
@68,120This anon speaks the truth, and is likely conveying what the OP was getting at. Society becomes fractured and splintered on so many levels that hatred grows from the disunity. Labeling every single medical 'disorder' is one more crack in the shell.
If there is not a way to fix the disorder, I suggest the person just be called 'off center', and you deal with him accordingly.
Anonymous 21e89cc617d6dd7cb87698b297255cd0 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 02:24:57 UTC) ago, 19 minutes later (#68,145):
@68,133Exactly. That's what's wrong with this place. We're not allowed to simply be human beings anymore, everything's a problem that you have to buy something (pills etc) in order to solve.
Anonymous 6bbba9fdfb1c5f01e704ba05c3eebd63 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 03:18:12 UTC) ago, 53 minutes later (#68,175):
@68,112I'm autistic (Aspergers specifically) as well. I was addicted to stoplights when younger, if I had internet or the like I could indulge it more..
OP, Aspergers does exist. I was diagnosed at 16 last year. And no I won't go on a HUR HUR ITS DISABILITY, because I consider that BULLSHIT and Autism is a DIFFERENCE, not a DISABILITY.
here's a related link. I'm 'Warsie' on wrongplanet and a bunch of other sites.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAutism_rights_movement&ei=S7vuSJ3GBIrKgwLq5JS4Bg&usg=AFQjCNEIkL1FyES7ggWIwPqrWXtENUbYJw&sig2=l1cqQaZtkaqyWG1AgHEmcg Anonymous 12b55267c868e62db6437704414bb229 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 03:43:50 UTC) ago, 26 minutes later (#68,188):
> If there are any false disorders, ADD is sure to be among the top on a skeptics list.
I disagree with this. I have ADD, and it's a very real problem for me. It isn't a simple matter of laziness or lack of intelligence. It's a paradoxical mental problem that prevents me from reaching my potential. Basically, the harder I concentrate, the less focused I become. My mind works against me in that any attempt to focus my attention results in complete mental derailment. I've seen a psychologist about this problem, and through his help, I've been able to fix my problem. Taking an Adderall pill isn't even necessary anymore. The mere knowledge of the problem and how it operates has allowed me to beat it. In high school, I always wondered how everyone could do so well; I really wanted to do great in school. Now that I am in college and aware of my problem, I'm at the top of all my classes.
What you're talking about is bad diagnosis. I don't know much about the medical/psychology world, but from what I've been hearing, too many kids are being diagnosed with ADD when they really don't have it. We're supposed to let the kids grow up a bit before we can really do any mental analysis.
Anonymous 60562d768fbdf91024bab56a685a8d4d replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 04:36:00 UTC) ago, 52 minutes later (#68,212):
@68,188A lack of attention is indeed a problem, and that problem DOES exist. The problem is that ADD is most often a psychical problem when society treats it like an organic problem.
Anonymous 05c54c752cf415adac183c20aa73c9b4 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 15:20:26 UTC) ago, 11 hours later (#68,266):
It does exist - but when one has it you can usually TELL.
I believe it is possible to grow out of "Asperger's Syndrome" to a degree just by socialization. You may grow into a more introverted, shy individual than your peers, but you still can make yourself "blend in" with the rest of society if you try hard enough and focus.
I think for the most part it is over diagnosed, just like ADHD. Naturally introverted people and "nerds" are often diagnosed, only meeting the criteria of an "obsession" or "extreme hobby" and low social skills, with little or no real stereotypical autistic behavior such as stimming/hand-flapping and rocking. Thing is, if you're diagnosed with this - just be sure to get a second or even a third opinion.
Anonymous d43a3c7d6592c40e2d2d2b1003e78c3a replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 15:51:17 UTC) ago, 31 minutes later (#68,269):
AS is most certainly real. Another person with it here.
You can't TELL if someone has it very easily. You can tell something is a bit odd, but its hard to nail down. I'm in the field of psychology, so I know, yes it is over-diagnosed, but there are criteria beyond being introverted for it if you know your stuff.
You can grow out of it to an extent, but when interacting with people there's always the doubts in your mind about how you're interpreting their expressions and body language. It is very much a different "mode" of thinking more than an actual "disorder" and that label is only necessary to get people help, not that there is something wrong with them/us.
Freud is a pile of non-falsifiable horse shit. It's like a religious nut who can always turn back to "God works in mysterious ways" to explain anything that doesn't fit his view. To Freud and his ilk, nothing can disprove their "theory" incorrect.
Anonymous b5a6bf20274f081c3c35dffb74bc07d7 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 20:04:51 UTC) ago, 4 hours later (#68,332):
@68,266> >with little or no real stereotypical autistic behavior such as stimming/hand-flapping and rocking.Those symptoms for Aspergers are only a guideline, NOT a concrete list. There are plenty of autistic people who can detect social nuances naturally but have sensory issues/stimming. Stimming can be a bunch of things too, could be a hand twirl or something else that is hard to notice.
Anonymous 7e7d095bdb7c70b0e77160fb2fa5dfe1 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-10 23:01:46 UTC) ago, 3 hours later (#68,382):
Me, I say Asperger's just.. isn't a proper syndrome. It's bunch of traits that got umbrella'd by someone as a catch all, for convenience.
Anonymous 57ec9d3f4f32aa129afe5ec20b3a2cf1 replied with this 2 months (2008-10-11 20:21:27 UTC) ago, 21 hours later (#68,620):
To the previous poster, that is exactly what a psychological disorder is. It's just a bunch of specific characteristics or behavior patterns that tend to occur together, and as a result are labeled for convenience. Nothing has to be known about the origin of these characteristics, the neural architecture that produces them, etc. Two individuals who are diagnosed with, say, manic depressive disorder can have very different causes for having the disorder, but they both manifest a similar set of symptoms, so they are both diagnosed and treated the same way for convenience's sake. Since psychology deals with inside-of-the-brain concepts that we have no words for, it is by definition a "soft science"; it is based on relatively little empirical data, and a lot more on the discretion of educated professionals, precedent, and a degree of common sense. It is a very approximate science that has many flaws and incongruencies.
Asperger's is definitely something real. A kid in my school had it, and he was WEIRD AS SHIT. Real, real strange, clearly not stupid, but like an alien trapped in a human body. Just didn't really experience reality the way we neurotypicals do. I looked that shit up on wikipedia, he had many of the symptoms that were listed in the article, I would say the diagnosis was valid.
Anonymous 909b052f6f035faa565d0dfc90bad14e replied with this 2 months (2008-10-14 19:49:52 UTC) ago, 3 days later (#69,981):
@68,620I apologize if this seems that I am necroing this thread.
> Asperger's is definitely something real. A kid in my school had it, and he was WEIRD AS SHIT.We all are. Have to lol as I was called 'unique' and 'weird' by a LOT of people :)
> Real, real strange, clearly not stupid, but like an alien trapped in a human body.wow…you used that same analogy many Neurodiversity activists used. 'Trapped on the Wrong planet'
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