Usa going to hell in a handbasket, martial law soon, government taking peoples rights away.
I really wanna show people that this shit really is happening, but I do not wanna come off like some bum ranting about the end of the world, best way to educate our ignorant brainwashed masses?

Better off Moving to canada?

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I agree with you, the USA is going to hell in a handbasket. People like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck are trying to get the world to understand but everyone is fine with the way it is now, very sad

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I'm conservative on a lot of issues, but people like Glenn Beck are ignorant pieces of shit who lack any sort of objectivity (I don't know anything about Alex Jones). There are many smart conservatives out there. People like Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, etc. are not among them.

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Is that where ninja's roam the streets? badumtish!

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Maybe its because im getting older and im paying a bit more attention, but what I see (even if alot of it must be taken with a grain of salt)

peoples rights being degraded.
media brainwashing.
people ignorant, uneducated, and lacking common sense.

It appears that's the way the government wants us, sheeple.

I definitely see things like this and It makes me want to shout it on the street corner/ inform people/wake them up. But all it would do is make me seem like a crazy bum shouting the end of the world is coming to passersby.

What is the best way to inform the people? Educate them? Or is it to late, canada or somewhere else is looking pretty good right now, even though it seems like about 57% of a canadian persons wage is taken by taxes.

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Absolutely correct.

OP, I think that the same problem is going on pretty much everywhere else in the world. It's slightly better in places where (1) the population has a higher average IQ, and (2) the cultural values are Western (e.g., Canada, most of Europe). However, people are by-and-large stupid everywhere, and the problem is getting worse. England is the saddest example of all — that land was once the cradle of modern individual rights and liberties, whose sons wrote the Magna Carta, created most of the jurisprudence now recognized by all Western nations when we refer to "human rights", and wrote the U.S. Constitution (say what you will about the U.S. today, but our Constitution was a huge step forward at the time, and a particularly noteworthy historical step in human progress). Now the United Kingdom's government is marching to transform England intoa police state, even faster than the U.S. government can do it to us.

I keep waiting to hear one day that their Parliament has finally outright repealed the guarantee of some fundamental liberty.

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I Have to agree with you on so many points.

Perhaps I should just rethink the educating of the masses et al, it is just too big of job to contemplate, and Just try to surround myself with intelligent people, before that too becomes a crime. Sometimes it just gets me up in arms and I want to do something about it.

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I also wonder if these too are the things our fathers and their fathers used to say as they started paying more attention to what the government was doing in their time.

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If you do a good enough job educating the masses you'll "disappear."

If they could coordinate 9/11, the least they can do is make you disappear and suppress any media outcry - they own the media too.

Just take care of yourself and your family.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JmKAgC6rYo

Michael Badnarik is the man.

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This is fucking insane. Where are you basing all your information on? If you've got some credible evidence that we're progressing towards some sort of 1984 police state, let me see it. Until then, everyone's just going to think that you're a bunch of tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.

Are you hoping that something like this will happen, because there isn't enough excitement in our lives right now? You really come off as some of those rapture people, who desperately hope that it will happen and that they will be the ones who will be able to "escape." Or the 2012 apocalypse or the global warming (the over-exaggerated theory with the mega-storms) people. If this shit is in fact happening, it's not going to be a fucking adventure.

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Alex Jones is a cool guy and I believe he thinks he is doing the right thing and is doing what he thinks is good. he distributes his dvds out on google video and youtube and WANTS people to copy his disks and show them to other people.

I don't agree with his christian moralist bullshit (see the "moral meltdown" on prisonplanet-honestly I'm a supporter of the pro-pedophile movement, LGBT, etc) and some of his libertarian wanking of the founding fathers (rich white men) but he thinks hes doing the right thing.

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> Maybe its because im getting older and im paying a bit more attention, but what I see (even if alot of it must be taken with a grain of salt)

it should. This has been happening for a WHILE in the US. Shit, since the BEGINNING of the US when the rich white men who were the 'founding fathers' talked about liberty and enslaved african slaved. Read the Willie Lynch letter and what it discusses about the enslavement of the BLACK RACE and how to keep then BROKEN. Granted, the letter isn't historical true but what is described in there is. As you're likely caucasian you had it better off

> peoples rights being degraded.

again, Black people had to deal with enslavement, rape, etc for centuries and only got their full rights in the 1960s…and the government STILL finds ways to fuck us over.

> media brainwashing.

that's gettign backward…back then there were only a few channels and no internet so the US had a monopoly on what was broadcasted. Now Al Jazeera, etc and the internet (youtube, etc) break the monopoly that existed for so long…this shit has been happening in the past, only YOU know about it due to the internet and the like
people ignorant, uneducated, and lacking common sense.

> It appears that's the way the government wants us, sheeple.

well yes the government wants us blacks that way and did a damn good job regarding the CIA crack in the 1980s and all..

> What is the best way to inform the people? Educate them?

Join a local peace group/worldcantwait/socialist group/911 truth group or something. The Chicago area has the Lone Lantern Group, met them in 2006 at a 9/11 truth convention there (also shook Alex Jones hand)

> Or is it to late, canada or somewhere else is looking pretty good right now

it will be better off than the US when the Oil Peak, etc goes in. Europe tool; thye have better rail systems an their cities are more compact than in the US with suburban sprawl and all.

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get guns and stockpile

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did a quick search; found this
http://mail.psychedelic-library.org/pipermail/theharderstuff/20080927/007581.html

there's more

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@68,337
This guy has some sense.

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That article doesn't provide much persuasion.

If the U.S. was going to hell in a handbasket, don't you think people would be in a little bit more of an uproar? "But they already are, look around you!" No. This is not an uproar. There is a huge difference between a protest and a riot. Besides, if you read those articles, you find out that martial law is only put in very specific areas of the country, not all over the place. It's not like we're losing our rights or getting shot at for free speech, like you guys are acting.

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> This guy has some sense.
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> That article doesn't provide much persuasion.
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> If the U.S. was going to hell in a handbasket, don't you think people would be in a little bit more of an uproar? "But they already are, look around you!" No. This is not an uproar. There is a huge difference between a protest and a riot. Besides, if you read those articles, you find out that martial law is only put in very specific areas of the country, not all over the place. It's not like we're losing our rights or getting shot at for free speech, like you guys are acting.

Well, I agree with you on some points. I don't believe, for instance, that the U.S. government was complicit in 9/11, or in any of these other grand conspiracy theories. I also agree that the "martial law" allegations here are over-the-top.

However, we are losing rights — some pretty fundamental ones — and relying on the absence of concern by the common herd as your justification for not worrying about it merely qualifies you as a member of the common herd. Since the advent of modern constitutional democracy, there have been plenty of recent examples of countries whose citizens lost their freedoms and whose governments decayed into totalitarianism. In almost all of these examples, the great mass of apathetic and ignorant citizens rode happily along, worrying about sports or celebrities and carelessly trusting the actions of their governments.

What rights? Well, I could talk about various executive abridgements of the Bill of Rights (freedom from search & seizure, etc.), but most specifically, the entire quandary at Gitmo is a huge assault on the right to habeas corpus. Gonzales (the attorney general) actually argued that it was debatable whether our Constitution even really guaranteed habeas corpus (on a ridiculously technical point, even for a lawyer). The executive branch continues to concentrate its power and assert its ability to ignore the other branches of government. Why does this matter?

Well, perhaps you should read the fundamental rights guaranteed to citizens in the Soviet Union. They were enormously liberal — more so than the U.S. Bill of Rights. Of course, they had a little escape clause, which was that the government could arrest "enemies of Communism" and hold them indefinitely. That one little escape clause (a clear repudiation of habeas corpus) pretty much made the rest of the document irrelevant — and the Soviet Union was not a great place to live, as a result. Yet many people in this country would happily abrograte habeas corpus if they thought that it would help the government to fight the "turrists".

I'm only thirty years old (by which I mean that I don't have a vast amount of personal experience with the changes in our society), but I was a child during the end of the Cold War, and I remember how teachers would warn us about how terrible the conditions were on the eastern side of the Iron Curtain — how officials could demand to see your "papers", how freedom of travel, particularly international travel, was restricted. The laws in this country (both statutes and judicial decisions) and moving us to this state — it used to be considered flatly unconstitutional for a cop to demand to see your drivers' license, for instance, but now the police have the power to arrest you for refusing to identify yourself in some jurisdictions. This is scary stuff, especially if you see what it means from a historical perspective.

I don't want to Godwin this thread, but you really ought to consider the frightening speed with which Germany transformed itself from a constitutional republic to a totalitarian dictatorship — and all the while, there were basically no riots, and the sheeple went along, worrying about sports and celebrities, like the bulk of them do in every country.

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Damn it, that was retarded of me. I didn't mean to leave the quote in there — sorry, Sysop.

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> If the U.S. was going to hell in a handbasket, don't you think people would be in a little bit more of an uproar?

How would you know if there was or wasn't? Remember who exactly it is that owns all our media and controls the flow of information! If there were mass arrests going on or huge groups of people protesting or even rioting in the streets how are you going to know if the MSM doesn't tell you?

The Internet? Yeah…."I know it's true I read it on the Internet!" Try saying that to someone you know and watch their faces, you'll quickly see just how reputable the Internet is as an information source to the average person.. Besides which, if the truth ever did show up on the Internet, those in power would just make it go away by brandishing their troll hammers (DMCA) and wailing away at the servers until the source of the truth was discredited or had disappeared. The scariest thing about this is the question of exactly how many times this has already happened….

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http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1568518

Read all the comments.

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Please read this too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

Somehow I missed that in history, but wow it sounds alot like what were being setup for.

One lil bit of civil unrest and were in for it.

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I feel that you guys are blowing this out of proportion and reading too much into this. You're forming assumptions that agree with what you want to happen.

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Why would I want this to happen? It cant be good, Im concerned about where this is leading, I love the USA but I fear my government.

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