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Anonymous 804b5c3d286cc660a7c165510b102ea0 started this discussion 1 month (2008-10-11 04:03:43 UTC) ago:
What makes one vagina prettier than the next? Do you like a certain look for your lady's bits? Anything you absolutely hate?
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Anonymous 6062a9a4bfbefd5065a1a00c19f4c62f replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 04:17:50 UTC) ago, 14 minutes later (#68,466):
for me it how it smells… I like a mild smelling pussy.
Anonymous 2698555986868e7ef15d787fa5519643 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 05:59:12 UTC) ago, 2 hours later (#68,474):
I guess that this is a legitimate question, but it makes me feel bad to answer it, since it seems so shallow to care.
To me (and I suspect to most males, although there will certainly be a substantial minority of dissenters), the biggest deal is the labia. I just don't like big, meaty vaginas — you know, where the inner labia protrude far out of the outer labia, or the labia are large and misshapen.
That's a shame, too, because "meaty" vaginas correlate with high levels of sex hormones, so girls with big ol' vagina lips are usually curvier, and, most importantly, wetter.
I really like to go down on girls, and I really don't care that much about vagina appearance, but the "meaty" look really does kind of ruin it a little bit. :( However, I would agree with the earlier poster that smell is far more of a deal-breaker. In my opinion, overall, the best quality in a vagina (although not necessarily related to appearance) is wetness. Girls who get really wet, really quickly are awesome — and sex with them is much better.
From an appearance standpoint, I suppose I could answer the question of what would constitute a truly superlative vagina (but remember, the only thing that matters is that it not be smelly or really ugly — other than that, most guys are truly ambivalent). Probably the most universal standard of beauty for any body part is symmetry — a perfectly symmetrical vagina is very nice-looking. It's nice if the outer labia are the same color as the rest of the skin (not darker), and pink is, of course, the best interior color. Personally, I like it if the outer labia are a little puffy — a girl who, possessing the aforementioned qualities, and who when horny has a noticeably puffier (and perceivably moist) vagina truly possesses a genital work of art.
Gonna stop now because my mouth is starting to water and I don't feel like fapping.
Anonymous 804b5c3d286cc660a7c165510b102ea0 (OP) replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 06:07:56 UTC) ago, 9 minutes later (#68,476):
> That's a shame, too, because "meaty" vaginas correlate with high levels of sex hormones, so girls with big ol' vagina lips are usually curvier, and, most importantly, wetter.
Really?
I also wonder about inner labias with the browned edges. Does everyone get that over time or is it genetics?
Anonymous 2698555986868e7ef15d787fa5519643 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 06:22:43 UTC) ago, 15 minutes later (#68,478):
@68,476Yeah, but I can't source my statistic. It was a footnote in an academic article that I read a few years ago. With respect to the browned edges, I just don't know. I hooked up with a girl in high school and then recently again (~10 years later) and she did not have the browned edges, but maybe she'll get them in her thirties.
I know that pregnancy causes similar physical changes (browning nipples, for instance), so perhaps the browning labia is another side-effect. Ugh — I want to get married and have kids one day, but I sure do hate what pregnancy does to a vagina. Hopefully, my future wife will have to get a Caeserean-section. ;)
Anonymous b605ca435c9e8760dd0d2b3b3b68ce70 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 06:28:13 UTC) ago, 6 minutes later (#68,479):
@68,478> Hopefully, my future wife will have to get a Caeserean-section. ;)Wow…just…wow. What a selfish and ignorant thing to say. Do you even know what a Cesarean section does to a woman physically and emotionally?
Ugh, this place makes me sick sometimes.
Anonymous 2698555986868e7ef15d787fa5519643 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 06:47:23 UTC) ago, 19 minutes later (#68,482):
@68,479> Wow…just…wow. What a selfish and ignorant thing to say.One of the neat things about an anonymous message-board is that people can say what they really
think, rather than hiding behind a veneer of social norms for what is considered to be "good" or "unselfish" behavior.
> Do you even know what a Cesarean section does to a woman physically and emotionally?I am not a physician, but I have a pretty good idea about the physiological effects of C-sections. Modern C-sections are not very invasive and do not prevent future vaginal childbirth (as earlier surgeries often did). In fact, many women elect to have C-sections in order to avoid the pain of childbirth (and, as I alluded, to avoid the negative physical effects on their vaginas). Indeed, C-sections are disproportionately performed on women in higher-income brackets.
I don't know where you are coming from with the "emotional effect". To the extent it exists, it is certainly not universal (and I doubt even prevalent).
At any rate, it's likely that my future wife (if any) will not have much choice in the matter, but this would be for natural reasons, and not due to my preference. High birthweight runs in my family — I weighed eleven pounds when I was born, and my two younger siblings were even heavier. My mother weighed about 115 pounds when I was born — a natural birth would have been far too risky. She had a C-section delivery for all of us, and she certainly has no emotional problems.
Heredity is the primary predictor of birthweight (even my paternal grandmother had to have a C-section). Thus, it's likely that genetic factors will cause my future children to be high birthweight babies, also. I'm not crying about it though. Since this place is anonymous, I'm happy to share the truth — that I'm glad that I'll retain perpetual access to a nice, tight vagina even after I become a parent!
> Ugh, this place makes me sick sometimes.Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Anonymous 804b5c3d286cc660a7c165510b102ea0 (OP) replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 06:52:51 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#68,485):
@68,482I happen to think this guy is excellent for speaking his opinion. I applaud Anon.
Anonymous 6d580041e0b42e0f8119ca9d71d026e6 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 08:10:25 UTC) ago, 1 hour later (#68,494):
Light-colored, symetrical, a little lip unfolding but not much, small, trimmed hair.
Anonymous 1e80def5b773ce03de626e1aa96af032 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-11 08:31:35 UTC) ago, 21 minutes later (#68,495):
Doesn't really matter to me, though I prefer meat curtains.
I know quite a few girls that are very self-conscious about how their vagina looks like, but I think they shouldn't. A vagina can't really be ugly anyways.
Anonymous 2f69b31105a29b8d174c8c105a5203f2 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-12 00:32:10 UTC) ago, 16 hours later (#68,686):
@68,495I'm quite self-conscious about my vagina… The lips hang down by a couple of centimetres — not
too much — and they're slightly pinker than the rest of my vagina. I'm paranoid about how it smells, too, so I tend to use those female intimacy care products that cleanse and freshen up your vaginas.
Still, it's reassuring to know that there are some guys out there that truly
don't care about the appearance. Thank you, AnT.
Anonymous 2698555986868e7ef15d787fa5519643 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-12 03:00:36 UTC) ago, 2 hours later (#68,727):
@68,686> . . .it's reassuring to know that there are some guys out there that truly don't care about the appearance. Thank you, AnT.That probably applies to the vast majority of guys. Seriously, a vagina has to be really horrid-looking for it to make a difference. I am certain that most guys agree that form < function with respect to vaginas. Over the years, my friends and I have complained to each other about many aspects of specific girls' vaginas (too dry, too tight, uncomfortable, too, um, fragrant) but never have I heard anyone say, "This girl is really quite awesome, except that I'm not sure that I care for the way her vagina looks."
> I'm paranoid about how it smells, too, so I tend to use those female intimacy care products that cleanse and freshen up your vaginaIf it just smells like body odor, then it's fine. What you don't want is a strong amine (fishy) smell. One of my friends dated a girl who had a smelly one — she'd been to gynecologists, etc., but nothing could be done about it. After they had sex the room would smell like the dumpster behind the sushi restaurant. I really feel sorry for her — that's just a really unfair thing to have to deal with.
The belly-button test is commonly used to determine whether a girl's scent is too strong. To perform the test, you make out with a girl for a reasonable period of time (calculated to get her excited). Then you kiss her, down from her neck, over her breasts, and down to her stomach. Stop at her belly-button, with your face looking up towards her chest. Inhale slowly through your nose. RULE: If you smell
anything — go no further!
So if you want to figure out if you need the douche, just get yourself excited and put your nose over your stomach and inhale. If you can't smell anything unpleasant, then you're almost certainly fine. It's not like you want the thing to be sterile — for many men (probably the majority), the smell of a wet vagina is highly arousing.
> The lips hang down by a couple of centimetres — not too much — and they're slightly pinker than the rest of my vagina.s.Out of curiosity, since this was brought up earlier — statistics would predict that you are more likely to have a higher than average level of sex hormones. It would be interesting to confirm this. Do you get wetter than average? (After asking this, I realized that you probably don't have a basis for comparison!) Have slightly more body hair than other girls, or is your personality more competitive?
Anonymous 2f69b31105a29b8d174c8c105a5203f2 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-12 13:15:21 UTC) ago, 10 hours later (#68,886):
@68,727> Out of curiosity, since this was brought up earlier — statistics would predict that you are more likely to have a higher than average level of sex hormones. It would be interesting to confirm this. Do you get wetter than average? (After asking this, I realized that you probably don't have a basis for comparison!) Have slightly more body hair than other girls, or is your personality more competitive?I get fairly wet, yeah. It tends to seep down my inner thighs, and I can sometimes feel it leak out of me a little when I'm having sex. As you said, though, I don't really have a basis for comparison. I actually
do have more body hair than most of the other girls I know. As for being competitive… Not really. I'm very laid back and a bit of a procrastinator, actually.
Anonymous 2698555986868e7ef15d787fa5519643 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-12 16:21:38 UTC) ago, 3 hours later (#68,914):
@68,886> As you said, though, I don't really have a basis for comparison.Just so you know, that is pretty goddamn wet — somewhat off-topic, but that's awesome! I don't think that you have any reason to be self-conscious, then. I've had sex with enough different girls to where I personally have a sample size large enough to draw statistically significant conclusions about the female population generally with respect to these sorts of qualities, and I'd say that as far as wetness goes, you are in the top 1%. Moreover, a substantial proportion of girls (about 50%) are either too dry or right on the cusp of it — by which I mean, they
never get really wet (even just before their orgasm) and extended sex quickly becomes uncomfortable for both them and their partners.
Any guy who's recently been in a relationship with a dry girl will think he's died and gone to heaven when he has sex with you — as I mentioned, function is way more important than form when it comes to poon.
Another thing that I've noticed is that wetter girls almost always smell better, too. All the really strong-smelling vaginas that I've encountered were of the drier variety. I suspect that there's a causal relationship here, too — perhaps vaginal lubricants act as a constant douche or something, preventing non-native bacteria from setting up shop.
Anonymous 1e80def5b773ce03de626e1aa96af032 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-12 19:23:57 UTC) ago, 3 hours later (#68,972):
@68,886Woah, that is really wet.
My girlfriend has meet curtains as well (I just love it) and she gets really goddamn wet as well.
Anonymous 1b66b05a40705c1019a72f02703387ef replied with this 1 month (2008-10-13 05:33:05 UTC) ago, 10 hours later (#69,192):
I think most men will agree that the looks of the body and face are vastly more important that how your vag looks. As for smell, I don't mind a strong smell as long as its not a bad smell, if that makes sense. Like the other anon said, if its like sweat or b.o. its probably ok.
Anonymous 7690e4a4ec11f2a3fddecba315a70c5e replied with this 1 month (2008-10-13 20:25:16 UTC) ago, 15 hours later (#69,347):
I dislike the look of anything but a closed un-hairy one. The innards are a totally turn off for me. I love to lick em, but not look at em. Smell is everything in real life.
When I look at porn, i pretty much avoid anything with below the waist. (Unless it's lesbo porn, but then I don't want to see her messing with the lips, just her mouth covering them.)
Anonymous cd1514ecb81989d3177007d1cd21bcba replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 08:20:49 UTC) ago, 12 hours later (#69,688):
@68,479Don't worry, it's not like people like that will ever get a wife. Well, they might end up raping the neighbors child and pretending she's his wife, but then her father will kill him or he'll get raped and killed in prison.
Anonymous 6f55ac4af13c8378bd289e37a151cd50 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 16:31:36 UTC) ago, 1 day later (#70,442):
@68,479Speaking as a female- I fully intend to get a c-section if I have children, and I wouldn't think it was selfish at all if my partner asked me to
It would save me a lot of pain, and also mean that we could enjoy sex as much as we always had.
I'm too much of a coward for labour!
Anonymous f5f856a17dd9d8b05429b63a7ddcc73d replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 20:02:56 UTC) ago, 4 hours later (#70,488):
@70,442You should notice that a Caesarean section is way more dangerous than a natural birth, for you and for your child. Children born by Caesarean often suffer from breathing problems (water in the lungs. It get squeezed out during a natural birth) and need intensive care more often. It's also said that women who did not experience the birthing process have a higher risk of postnatal depression. You also have a two times higher risk to die. You will have to stay in the hospital longer and carry a big scar for the rest of your life.
The majority of women who had a natural birth never have problems with their sex life. I'm not sure if it's worth taking the huge risk of an operation (involving you and your unborn child) to avoid the minimal risk of ruining your vagina.
Anonymous 2698555986868e7ef15d787fa5519643 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 22:58:29 UTC) ago, 3 hours later (#70,539):
@70,488You're mixing in anecdote and selectively presented statistics along with a tiny bit of fact.
> You should notice that a Caesarean section is way more dangerous than a natural birth, for you and for your child.Way more dangerous? I don't think so. Can you produce an academic reference for this?
> Children born by Caesarean often suffer from breathing problems (water in the lungs. It get squeezed out during a natural birth) and need intensive care more often."Often"? Just how often? And is the higher incidence of intensive care due to the C-section, or due to the fact that C-sections are usually indicated for babies that are in a medically precarious state before birth? Also, you are ignoring the fact that C-sections are
preventative as to a number of serious medical conditions, including certain birth defects.
> It's also said that women who did not experience the birthing process have a higher risk of postnatal depression.Said by whom?
> You also have a two times higher risk to die.Uh-huh. Like, a 0.0001 risk of death instead of a 0.00005 risk of death? You're more likely to get killed driving to and from the hospital. Plus, much of this difference is likely due to the fact that if you come into the hospital already very sick, the obstetrician will likely elect to perform a C-section, because it's
safer than giving live birth if you are not well.
I agree that since a C-section
is a surgical procedure, it carries greater risks of complications, but the risks are still very, very small.
> You will have to stay in the hospital longer and carry a big scar for the rest of your life.You will be in the hospital longer. However, the scar from a C-section is much smaller and less obtrusive with modern surgical techniques than it was in the past. Further, if you're really bothered by the scar, you can get plastic surgery to eliminate it (which is cheaper and less invasive than vaginal rejuvenation surgery).
> The majority of women who had a natural birth never have problems with their sex life.Well, they might not be dysfunctional, but it might not be as good as before (in fact, I'd be willing to bet that that's pretty much guaranteed). So-called "vaginal rejuvenation" surgery has been growing in popularity among women who have given natural birth — and it's expensive and probably dangerous.
> I'm not sure if it's worth taking the huge risk of an operation (involving you and your unborn child) to avoid the minimal risk of ruining your vagina.Huge risk? That's just not so. It's a pretty damn small risk. On the other hand, what happens to your vagina during a normal birth is pretty much guaranteed — you just can't shove an object the size of a small watermelon through that orifice without stretching and tearing muscle.
Anonymous f5f856a17dd9d8b05429b63a7ddcc73d replied with this 1 month (2008-10-16 19:02:36 UTC) ago, 20 hours later (#70,866):
@70,539> Plus, much of this difference is likely due to the fact that if you come into the hospital already very sick, the obstetrician will likely elect to perform a C-section, because it's safer than giving live birth if you are not well.I think now you are mixing up some things. I was refering to the female anon who said she WANTED to have a C-section. There's a huge difference between an emergency (where a C-section can save the life of both, mother and child) and an elective C-section, which is basically an unnecessary operation and can cause alot of problems.
SABRINE N. (2000). Caesarean section controversy. Elective caesarean can increase the risk to the fetus. BMJ (Clinical Research Ed.). 320, 1073-4.
H̐ƯAKANSSON, S., & K̐ƯALL̐ƯEN, K. (2003). Caesarean section increases the risk of hospital care in childhood for asthma and gastroenteritis. Clinical & Experimental Allergy. 33, 757-764.
CARDWELL, C., et al. (2008). Caesarean section is associated with an increased risk of childhood-onset type 1 diabetes mellitus: a meta-analysis of observational studies. Diabetologia. 51, 726-735.
KURINCZUK, J. J. (2004). Risk of stillbirth after previous caesarean section. The Lancet. 402.
XU, B., PEKKANEN, J., HARTIKAINEN, A.-L., & J̐ƯARVELIN, M.-R. (2001). Caesarean section and risk of asthma and allergy in adulthood. Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology. 107, 0732-0733.
I could provide links to some interesting dissertations, but they are all written in German. You could try to read some of the publications by Professor Gordon Smith, he proved that a C-section will drastically increase the risk of having a stillbirth the next time you are pregnant.
http://www.obgyn.cam.ac.uk/gordon.htmlBut you were right on the risk of death. It's not high (not that I said that), but it's actually 3% higher.
Vaginal birth: 0.01%
C-section: 0.03%
I'm not trying to demonize C-sections, I'm just saying it's a critical intervention and it should be limited to emergencies. Not because some woman is scared to ruin her vagoo - that's fucking selfish.
Anonymous 6f55ac4af13c8378bd289e37a151cd50 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-17 17:30:13 UTC) ago, 22 hours later (#71,231):
Unfortunately it's my minge and therefore my choice :)
Anyway, I fear we're going a bit off-topic and about to be shit-listed, I'm off to start a new topic about this.
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