I've been wondering for a while whether there are any religious anons? The subculture of anon is a rather devious one with few morals…

I am a devout christian and wondering whether I'm alone…

Is being a anon and a christian mutually exclusive?

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You can be a religous anon. I'm not, but theres no reason you cannot be.

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There also seems to be the implication that not being religious/christian is analogous to having no morals, which I think is wrong.

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So… If you are not a Christian you have no morals?

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Haha, since when does no religion = no morals? You religious fags have your heads too far up your asses. If anything it's more, religion = no morals.

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I never meant to imply that a non-religious person has no morals… more to emphasis that most anons have few morals… just look around at all the pedo's posting here.

I never meant to offend

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I think its a big difference between having morals in real life and on Retardchan, I wouldn't set a big poster with cp on a street. People on Retardchan know there is cp there, and its more of a joke, I don't think people that post cp are all paedophiles.

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if you are devout christian then surely you know that the holy spirit does not dwell here or on the chans.
if you are a devout christian you have to ask yourself.. would jesus spend time in this forum or on the chans?
if you are a devout christian you should be doing something completely different with your time.
you should be spreading the gospel and seeking after good things which are undefiled and holy.

you draw near to your god with your lips but you are far from him in your heart.

shame on you.

just because you park your car in a garage - that does not mean you are a mechanic
just because you goto church that does not mean you're a christian.

leave the chans now.
pray for forgiveness.

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"The highest good is like water. It benefits the 10,000 things, but also strives to occupy places loathed by the masses, wherein it comes near to the Way."

That's from the Tao Te Ching, not the Bible. Still, you might find some relevence in it.

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Have you even read the bible. Jesus didn't spend his time with the good people, he didn't limit himself to the goodly folk.

He spent his time with the sinners, showing kindness to them. Did he not preach "Love the sinner, not the sin".
He never said that the Christians should keep to themselves… He never said not to mix with the sinners? He encouraged mingling with those that didn't know him.

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Jesus also said that he came not to bring peace but a sword, and that you should hate your family. Oh, and he also murdered some poor farmer's innocent pigs because a demon asked him to.

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Im a Christian and proud of it

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> Im a Christian and proud of it

You're proud of following a being who has killed millions of people? Who punishes people for not believing in him, even though he hasn't made it clear or obvious that he exists? Who is responsible for all the evil in the world? (Don't say satan did it, god created satan and KNEW what would happen.) Who claims to be all-loving, but gives people infinite punishment for finite crimes?

The Christian god is the most evil being conceivable.

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There are some of Us out there

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1. Assault on identity
2. Guilt
3. Self-betrayal
4. Breaking point
5. Leniency
6. Compulsion to confess
7. Channeling of guilt
8. Releasing of guilt
9. Progress and harmony
10. Final confession and rebirth

http://people.howstuffworks.com/brainwashing1.htm

* Isolation: Deprives victim of all social support [necessary for the] ability to resist. Develops an intense concern with self. Makes victim dependent upon interrogator.

* Monopolization of Perception: Fixes attention upon immediate predicament; fosters introspection. Eliminates stimuli competing with those controlled by the captor. Frustrates all actions not consistent with compliance.

* Induced Debility & Exhaustion: Weakens mental and physical ability to resist.

* Threats: Cultivates anxiety and despair.

* Occasional Indulgences: Provides positive motivation for compliance.

* Demonstrating "Omnipotence": Suggests futility of resistance.

* Enforcing Trivial Demands: Develops habit of compliance.

* Degradation: Makes cost of resistance appear more damaging to self-esteem than capitulation. Reduces prisoner [abuse victim] to "animal level" concerns.

http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/men/page3.html

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1) HYPNOSIS - Inducing a high state of suggestibility, often thinly disguised as relaxation or meditation.

a. Repetitive Music (most likely with a beat close to the human heart 45 to 72 beats per minute). Most likely used during "study sessions" as the teacher will say the music helps you relax and concentrate better!

b. Voice Roll — A "voice roll" is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

c. Room "Feel" - The way a room feels is essential to hypnotizing unknowing subjects. It needs special lighting, florescent lights are best because they aren't too dim, but aren't too harsh. Also, Room Temp helps a bit, usually a little cooler than normal room temperature. You need to have the unknowing subjects very relaxed, perhaps even close to falling asleep.

2) PEER GROUP PRESSURE - Suppressing doubt and resistance to new ideas by exploiting the need to belong.

3) "LOVE BOMBING" - Creating a sense of family through physical touch, thought & feeling sharing and emotional bonding.

4) REJECTION OF OLD VALUES - Accelerating acceptance of new lifestyle by constantly denouncing former beliefs and values.

5) CONFUSING DOCTRINE - Encouraging blind acceptance and rejection of logic through complex lectures on an incomprehensible doctrine.

6) METACOMMUNICATION - Implanting subliminal messages by stressing certain key words or phrases in long, confusing lectures.

7) REMOVAL OF PRIVACY - Achieving loss of ability to evaluate logically by preventing private contemplation.

8) DISINHIBITION - Encouraging child-like obedience by orchestrating child-like behaviour

9) UNCOMPROMISING RULES - Inducing regression and disorientation by soliciting agreement to seemingly simple rules which regulate mealtimes, bathroom breaks and use of medications.

10) VERBAL ABUSE - Desensitizing through bombardment with foul and abusive language. (Physical abuse, such as torture, is the more extreme form of this.)

11) SLEEP DEPRIVATION AND FATIGUE - Creating disorientation and vulnerability by prolonging mental an physical activity and withholding adequate rest and sleep.

12) DRESS CODES - Removing individuality by demanding conformity to the group dress code.

13) CHANTING OR SINGING - Eliminating non-cult ideas through group repetition of mind-narrowing chants or phrases.

14) CONFESSION - Encouraging the destruction of individual ego through confession of personal weaknesses and innermost feelings of doubt.

15) FINANCIAL COMMITMENT - Achieving increased dependence on the group by 'burning bridges' to the past, through the donation of assets.

16) FINGER POINTING - Creating a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world.

17) ISOLATION - Inducing loss of reality by physical separation from family, friends, society and rational references.

18) CONTROLLED APPROVAL - Maintaining vulnerability and confusion by alternately rewarding and punishing similar actions.

19) CHANGE OF DIET - Creating disorientation and increased susceptibility to emotional arousal by depriving the nervous system of necessary nutrients through the use of special diets and/or fasting. Also applying drugs for these purposes fall in this category.

20) GAMES - Inducing dependence on the group by introducing games with obscure rules.

21) NO QUESTIONS - Accomplishing automatic acceptance of beliefs by discouraging questions.

22) GUILT - Reinforcing the need for 'salvation' by exaggerating the sins of the former lifestyles.

23) FEAR - Maintaining loyalty and obedience to the group by threatening soul, life or limb for the slightest 'negative' thought, word or deed.

Three Principles of Re-Education

1) REPETITION - Going through the same subject over and over again until it is known by heart.

2) ACTIVITY PEDAGOGICS - The subjects are never left alone nor give any private time of their own, they are always in activity.

3) CRITICISM AND SELF-CRITICISM - The subjects are supposed to feel uncertain; under the constant threat of being humiliated and despised.

http://www.phinnweb.org/neuro/brainwash/

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Hey OP, I too am a Christian anon. I don't believe the two words are mutually exclusive. This is is a place for open, uninhibited discussion, and that is certainly something that doesn't happen enough in in our society today.
As for those of you who like to dismiss Christianity as a fairy tale, a cult, or a mindless and violent piece of primitive doctrine you are right in some cases, but wrong in more. The fact is that Christianity can be to you what you choose to make of it. Many people have abused it, used it for evil, to justify violence, to gain power, or to further their own ends in many ways. I cannot speak with any degree of certainty for the rest of the world, but in the USA Christianity has become mindless and commercialized. People fall into the trap of fundamentalism; they fail to realize that reason is an integral part of faith.
I believe that real Christianity is a quest to spread love and find truth. It is the journey toward harmony with God and all of his creation and, in that, true peace.

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Some of you "atheists" are worse than the Christians you put down. You simply don't understand what it's all about, so I guess we can't blame you if you are falsely led to believe that religion is the root of all evil or that it brainwashes people. Maybe if you put yourself out there and mature a little bit more, you'd realize that you're simply hating religion for the sole purpose of irrational hating.

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This place is odd.
I would hardly say you are alone, but you are in an odd place.
I'm personally wondering about my presence here. Will it be edifying? Will I be doing good or will I be dragged down?
Am I here to satisfy my dark desires with impunity? Or to shed a modicum of light?

Only the future will tell. Do guard your soul, my brother.

Shalom.

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@69,763

I remember someone saying 'you're not a real christfag if you're anon, you're going to hell with the rest of us'

well it said 'if you browse bee but still.

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@70,100

That is exactly what I've been thinking. How to be the light in the darkness without becoming the darkness yourself. It is a hard thing to do, but I'm very happy to see that there are other christian anons here fighting the good fight.

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Do add me to the ranks, will ya? I'm another Christian just trying to find some answers - of course, this might not be the best place to ask them, but at least no one knows who I am except for my religious beliefs.

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> That is exactly what I've been thinking. How to be the light in the darkness without becoming the darkness yourself. It is a hard thing to do, but I'm very happy to see that there are other christian anons here fighting the good fight.

You will not prevail, you cannot save us. You are not fighting the good fight here. You are fighting in the futile trench wars of irrational hate. No one wins. Your efforts would be better put to use elsewhere.

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i'm a religus anon and i have to say that theres more of us than you'd think. but we are all equaly insane.

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> You simply don't understand what it's all about, so I guess we can't blame you if you are falsely led to believe that religion is the root of all evil or that it brainwashes people.

So explain it. What IS it all about, if not following all the deplorable things in the bible?

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Religion is an essential cultural institution. There's a reason why every human society develops religion sooner or later. Religion provides a society with a set of morals, values, and beliefs. Individuals who all share the same morals, values, and beliefs have a much easier time getting along with one another. Individuals who don't share the same morals, values, and beliefs will have a hard time with one another. This is the reason why religion is essential. It provides a common guideline for it's individuals so that they can work together and achieve more than if they were alone.

"indoctrination" with the morals and values of a religion is unavoidable if you live in a society. Although you might not share the religion's beliefs, you still have it's morals and values which allow you to function harmoniously with the rest of society. If you grew up in the middle east, and moved to the US, you would likely have a harder time dealing with women as equals. The religion there has inevitably ingrained this concept into you, regardless of whether or not you believe in a God. After you spend enough time in the US, you will eventually come to accept women as equals and work with the rest of society.

Religion is less about the Bible and more about social cohesion. When you argue against religion, you argue against social cohesion. You guys will always cite things about talking snakes, returning from the dead, or a big man in the sky. None of this really matters, and you are attacking nothing. If you've got a problem with the way society controls its individuals, argue about that. Don't go off and start attacking what people believe in, because it doesn't make a fucking difference.

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@70,102

you be nice to people on bee. I try to be nice, helpful, post links and the like for people, don't be a douche and explain things rather than 'newfag is new', etc. Im agnostic and do that ^_^

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> Religion is less about the Bible and more about social cohesion. When you argue against religion, you argue against social cohesion.

I disagree. This may have been true in the past, but in this day and age, there is no reason a society NEEDS religion to work.

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Yeah you're right. Before, it used to be that religion controlled the morals and values of society. Now it seems that the society actually controls the morals and values of religion. A good example of this would be slavery. The end of slavery had less to do with the Bible and more to do with the changing morals of the society. Slavery was actively promoted by religion back then. It was viewed that we were helping the less fortunate who couldn't survive on their own. After the morals of the society shifted, religion followed suit.

I guess you could remove religion now, but you'd probably do more harm than good. A lot of people around the world still depend on religion for social cohesion. Even if our society were able to function without religion, individuals would end up less "connected" to each other. People would lose a common identity they once shared with one another.

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@69,965

That sounds a lot like the public education system.

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Religion has its pitfalls, yes. However, some of you fail to see the good it can do. I am a Christian, and I go to my small church every Sunday. Regardless of whether there is a god or not, church is an amazing social organization. There are elderly people who get out of their house once a week, and go to church. If they had no church to go to, they would have no reason to leave their homes, they would sit alone until they died. When these people get terminal cancer, the church is there as a support network, and will stay with them to the bitter end. Religions are also capable of unbelievable feats of humanitarianism. In natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina, the midwest floods this past July, the and even disasters in third-world countries on the other side of the planet, different dominations of Christianity donated billions of dollars. Combined, the churches gave more support than came from any other source.

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This is the type of social cohesion I'm talking about. Most of you atheists will rage out over what they believe in, but that isn't the function of religion. What you're getting mad at is faith, not religion.

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I wouldn't consider myself religious but I can say that I'm a Christian. It sounds contradictory, but I say this because I don't follow (or associate myself with) a certain church or social religious group. My relationship with Christ is personal and anyone's say in it is just an opinion to me. I'm very open minded in politics, even in the abortion issue, so I can say that I have successfully separated the church and state at least at my personal level.

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Nothing wrong with being spiritual or at least believing in spiritual things. Love is the highest good.

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