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Anonymous 8a5fe383e51c90b5d6d606312f344833 started this discussion 1 month (2008-10-14 19:07:20 UTC) ago:
Quoted from DailyRotten.com, credit given to original author.
> I know I'll get some serious hate from just about everyone, but I'm going to play the ultimate devil's advocate here in regards to the
> baby getting shat on pic. I am trying to be reasonable, so save the reactionary insults, please. I only oppose it being on here because
> it is considered illegal and I don't want Rotten shut down for any reason. I personally don't think possession or viewing of any image
> should be a crime.
> Think about it. Is viewing images of a murder scene a crime? How about a robbery? A kidnapping? What if it's an adult being raped? Or
> footage of the cops beating a man in the street for no reason? Are these images/video illegal to have? The crime is just as serious, the
> victims are just as dead/traumatized, and the penalties are about the same…years to life in jail or even death.
> So why should viewing child porn be any different than viewing any other crime? It's not as if the crime is magically happening again or
> some bullshit like that. People don't die all over again when you watch video of them being shot, do they?
> "Every time someone sees it, the kid is being raped again!"
> What a crock of shit.
> If you watch a video of some porn star getting assfucked by a massive black cock, does that porn star feel that dick up her ass? I doubt
> it. The kid isn't being raped again either. The damage is done, and banning all evidence of it isn't going to magically restore that
> child's innocence. Throwing people in jail for years to be raped and/or murdered for having this evidence doesn't help the kid either.
> So now we have two lives destroyed instead of just one.
> Way to go, justice system.
> I feel Mikeisgreen has the right idea. Someone who rapes/beats/kills a kid should be dragged out back and shot immediately following
> conviction, as well as someone producing and selling child porn for their own personal profit.
> But what if someone gets it for free? How does that support any so-called industry? The RIAA claims that file sharing of their precious
> music somehow 'damages' their profits…so if you really wanted to fuck up the CP industry, wouldn't pirating it just make it less
> profitable?
> I don't think people make that kind of sick shit for financial profit anyway.
> The sheer "ick" factor makes most people scream "BAN IT!" and I understand that reaction…I feel the same way. But if you are willing to
> ban one thing because it's gross and utterly despicable, who decides the limit of acceptability? You? Me? Religion? The government?
> Do you really want some other person telling you what you can and cannot see?
> This 'illegal content' is just a bunch of 1's and 0's that certain programs can render into something distasteful. Should we ban these
> programs for making it possible? Ban every media player and all image viewers then. That'll stop the CP 'epidemic' for sure, right?
> Hell, just ban internet browsers, cameras, camcorders, cell phones, Polaroids, oil paints, charcoal sticks, and anything else that can be
> used to depict underage porn.
> Problem solved.
> If you let government get their foot in the door of freedom of information they will bust that fucker wide open and you WILL be in for a
> world of hurt. You can't just censor shit just because it depicts something "evil". That's the logic behind burning 'heretical' books and
> 'dangerous' literature. Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Prohibition doesn't work, it has never worked, and I >sincerely doubt it will work in the future.
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Anonymous a18285fb2fab9266a581a22781b2bff0 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 19:08:29 UTC) ago, 1 minute later (#69,953):
> credit given to original author
Uh… okay? Where?
Anonymous 8a5fe383e51c90b5d6d606312f344833 (OP) replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 19:10:03 UTC) ago, 2 minutes later (#69,954):
It was posted by commie[bastard] on this thread:
http://forums.dailyrotten.com/323/00030233/Anonymous 61b734a261f6af117e2201eda1b7b72d replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 19:28:06 UTC) ago, 18 minutes later (#69,958):
Try and try as you may, justifying raping children is still sick.
Anonymous 17b2023353a3c0480e514721922fe511 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 19:40:06 UTC) ago, 12 minutes later (#69,974):
Because making it legal would be the same as supporting it.
Anonymous 8a5fe383e51c90b5d6d606312f344833 (OP) replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 19:45:25 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#69,977):
How is this justifying anything? The author clearly states that rapists should be locked up or shot outright.
All he's saying is the mere act of possessing or viewing CP should not be grounds for imprisonment and a lifetime stigma on them and their family. We don't jail people for watching bestiality porn, even though that is illegal in many areas of the world. There is a disconnect here…people won't (or can't) separate porn from reality. It's just pixels on a screen, not a child.
But if someone ACTS on their urges, then that's a whole other story. Don't like it? Don't watch it, don't buy it, don't sell it, don't share it, and don't make it. But don't get so high and mighty that you feel the need to 'protect' people from a picture.
Sure, it's creepy. But it's no creepier than torture porn (which is legal, btw).
Anonymous b81ecea7cd40285e9ddfdb8e7000246f replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 19:52:15 UTC) ago, 7 minutes later (#69,984):
did you even read the OP's post? he never defended rape.
Anonymous 8a5fe383e51c90b5d6d606312f344833 (OP) replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 19:54:14 UTC) ago, 2 minutes later (#69,989):
Censorship is an insidious cancer that once metastasized is impossible to remove.
Our puritan roots are still showing plain as day.
"It's bad! Ban it! Ban it!"
Making a law and throwing people in jail is just our way of coping with a problem we have no real solution for.
Anonymous 1bbef2c1c3023755fd5ba6d95191bfeb replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 22:29:40 UTC) ago, 3 hours later (#70,053):
It perpetuates the crime
the chief purpose of murder isn't to have photos of it
while with CP it is
Therefore, there's a perfectly good reason why it's illegal.
Anonymous 5ec9a29a622f4ecfb73e143a9bac04fd replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 23:53:33 UTC) ago, 1 hour later (#70,106):
@70,053> the chief purpose of murder isn't to have photos of it>> while with CP it isSo you're saying that if we would remove all the cameras from the world, CP wouldn't exist?
Because then, no one could take pictures of it and that is the purpose of CP, right?
Somehow this doesn't seem right to me…
Anonymous 1609589820a312d14661e02ad6d3604f replied with this 1 month (2008-10-14 23:58:09 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#70,114):
But it is right. While just watching CP does no harm to children, allowing people to watch CP encourages them to make more. And making more CP involves raping little children, etc. So while 'just watching' isn't harmful at all, making it legal to watch encourages people to make more of it, which DOES harm children.
Anonymous 533f89624cb97bda08926137fc198b58 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 00:03:45 UTC) ago, 6 minutes later (#70,118):
@70,114What if someone's just watching porn of girls his own age (probably self produced)? How is that encouraging anyone to rape little children?
@70,053Circular reasoning; try again.
Anonymous 5ec9a29a622f4ecfb73e143a9bac04fd replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 00:08:53 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#70,119):
@70,114I was just pointing out that the purpose of CP isn't to take pictures of it, it's to have sex with children.
Anonymous 5703ba61836ff7c75ba56bf63b5e564d replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 00:54:27 UTC) ago, 46 minutes later (#70,137):
The point OP is trying to make is that the gov. should revise what they do to people who view CP. Let say you browsing retardchan or something and you click on an image (and the thumbnail is unavailable) and it turn out to be Cp. I don't know about you but I don't feel like spending several months in the court system having my name smeared through the mud because I accidentally clicked on a CP image. Now I'm not saying legalize it or anything but maybe rather than sentencing someone to prison make them pay like a huge fine and put them on parole or something. Now I'm not trying to defend the people who go out of their way to download this stuff but for people who may just have like one Cp pic on their HD or something like that, I can't help but feel a little bad to see them getting a several year prison sentence for like 1 or 2 Cp pic on their HD.
Anonymous ca14aded899a6ca09c732bd8ad986353 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 01:25:58 UTC) ago, 32 minutes later (#70,147):
Possession of CP should not be illegal. Distribution is the gray area, if it's for profit then certainly yes but if they weren't responsible for producing it, the moral liability is very debatable. Production is the only thing that should be definitively illegal.
The thing that most annoys me is that some people have unwillingly obtained underage content have received ridiculous sentences (~10 years w/parole) meanwhile the real perpetrators who produced it not only go unharmed but likely profited. Not to mention the many lawyers licking their lips at such cases, extorting huge settlements and fees (not to mention the possibility of a fine in verdict). Accusation = conviction as far as most jurists are concerned as well, which certainly isn't helping.
Anonymous 50f753a7c82aaa85e71d8b43977169ea replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 01:26:49 UTC) ago, 51 seconds later (#70,148):
@69,989I agree with this and the entire thread. Anyone who disagrees with the logic is an idiot bible-pounder.
There is no logical reason to imprison somebody for this crime.
It's just a grand reaction formation on the part of society - all of the so-called "moral" people strongly desire sex with "children," and as a result of caving to society's whims the strength of their desires is displaced into revulsion. The degree to which a person freaks the fuck out about CP is the extent to which they probably secretly like it.
It's just like how in school, some kid "hates feet" and grew up to do foot fetish films, or how little boys say "girls are icky" and then within a few years their entire consciousness is dedicated to sex with women.
Fucking totemistic bullshit.
Anonymous 3896fefc9615607002898ade91a01975 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 19:34:41 UTC) ago, 18 hours later (#70,480):
@70,137> The point OP is trying to make is that the gov. should revise what they do to people who view CP. Let say you browsing retardchan or something and you click on an image (and the thumbnail is unavailable) and it turn out to be Cp.How often does this happen, or does it happen at all? I've had this happen to me on retardchan and moid.org at least 4 times and nothing has happened to me, provided that it's removed from both those servers in a matter of minutes. Is there something I'm missing?
Anonymous 3896fefc9615607002898ade91a01975 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 19:35:30 UTC) ago, 49 seconds later (#70,481):
@70,480sorry for over-use of the word 'happen', I've had a few beers.
Anonymous ccff654008fde1624c6eb9bedc4dda89 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-16 14:10:30 UTC) ago, 19 hours later (#70,801):
What's categorized as "Extreme Pornography" which is the likes of torture porn, actual rape and "snuff" films (in the UK at least) is illegal to possess. I'm not saying they should legalize CP, but make a few other disgusting things illegal like real graphic violence/gore. Viewing real gore, in my opinion, is the worst thing any human can get visual pleasure out of.
Anonymous 2ed5d7e8cc335da13974f709c4e4687c replied with this 1 month (2008-10-21 05:31:56 UTC) ago, 5 days later (#72,454):
are you guys retarded?
if CP became legal, and thus sold.
Then people would make more and more CP. Wayyyyy more than is being produced now. ← truth. you can't deny that.
I'm not saying if the demand for CP disappeared, so would the raping of children. To a degree the rape will always happen.
But its illegal. Banned, etc.
Imagine if robbery became legal. Just imagine that for a quick second.
Anonymous a18285fb2fab9266a581a22781b2bff0 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-21 05:37:04 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#72,459):
@72,454> are you guys retarded?You sure appear to be, judging by how you type…
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