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Anonymous 1246803710ee982ec28b15c98870d121 started this discussion 1 month (2008-10-15 13:35:59 UTC) ago:
I currently find myself in a unique position. I've been asked to act as a fortune teller for my work's fall festival. The place I work is housing for the mentally ill and is in a building with a long history of death inside it.
I've decided to use the fortune telling as part of a greater working, but besides deciding to eliminate two problems within the building I have no idea what other experiments to try.
Thus I would some ideas from those here as to what to do.
Two factors to keep in mind. 1. the building is owned and operated by a church so anything I do must be subtle, I already have some of the bosses breathing down my neck for being to open with my practices. 2. A Wiccan high priest lives here and is watching me like a hawk lately. He has stated that he will be attempting to stop any experiments I may try because he was not happy with the results of past ones.
So any good ideas from fellow anons?
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Anonymous 58df679a738d79842ce027bda4fc0149 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 14:59:48 UTC) ago, 1 hour later (#70,414):
What were your previous experiments, I'm intrigued.
Anonymous 23e8a59e7c18a2b63ce961d91eaf0504 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 18:38:51 UTC) ago, 4 hours later (#70,469):
There's no such thing as magic, buddy.
Anonymous 7be7a4940c9fc98c20b1bcbe26ddcbb1 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 18:44:11 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#70,470):
Where do you live? I've never heard of a company being hospitable towards BS superstitious nonsense (except religion of course).
Anonymous 22e1acbe096e06dd4553d5ace120bff4 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 18:49:27 UTC) ago, 5 minutes later (#70,472):
@70,469Oh, I agree entirely, anon. But if this guy really believes this shit, I want to hear about it. This is interesting to read — it's a lot fresher than the usual religion threads.
OP, can you do any kind of reproducible experiment to prove that your magic does. . . anything at all? Does your magic (unlike, say, Christianity) have any predictable, measurable effect on the real world?
Anonymous 7be7a4940c9fc98c20b1bcbe26ddcbb1 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 19:13:37 UTC) ago, 24 minutes later (#70,477):
@70,472he's just going to give some anecdote about how a spell he cast cured his friend's cousin's brother of depression (for REAL! you gotta believe me!!!). Don't even bother.
Anonymous 2d7ab6810d24df57fef144a598edfa02 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 19:54:09 UTC) ago, 41 minutes later (#70,484):
I don't practice magic because it is fake.
Anonymous 293be67f7b2c08a625f32e4ea4d0ad82 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 22:02:43 UTC) ago, 2 hours later (#70,520):
Leave the dude alone. He chose the neo-pagan path just as you Anons chose atheism.
Anonymous 7be7a4940c9fc98c20b1bcbe26ddcbb1 replied with this 1 month (2008-10-15 22:29:03 UTC) ago, 26 minutes later (#70,529):
> He chose the neo-pagan path just as you Anons chose atheism.
Just because there are two sides to an argument, doesn't mean they have equal value. It is possible for one side to simply be wrong.
He has absolutely no reason to think that magic actually works. He is deluding himself.
Anonymous 1246803710ee982ec28b15c98870d121 (OP) replied with this 1 month (2008-10-16 08:52:36 UTC) ago, 10 hours later (#70,744):
I fully understand why some would consider me deluded for my beliefs and that could very well be true. The human mind is geared to see patterns even when none exist, so the results of magick could be nothing more than random occurrences that my mind perceives as being connected.
It does not matter to me whether it is real or not. It is a distraction that I find entertaining and should things work out the way I planned then so much the better. Thus the reality of it holds little meaning to me. I do it for fun, nothing more.
As for my job permitting superstitious behavior. I work for a church, so superstitious beliefs are common. Add in that the current staff includes an ex-dominatrix, an ex-monk, an atheist with satanic leanings and a transsexual just to name a few and an odd work environment is a given.
Concerning past experiments, one must understand that to me magick is mostly psychological. It is about changing one's own perceptions and influencing the perceptions of others. There is nothing supernatural about it. With that said, the last experiment I did concerned the use of a servitor. It's a type of created spirit. This servitor was created to make acquiring drugs of all forms easier. After having some success with it in my home environment. [Going from no contacts to three and getting better merchandise than I used to.] I decided to take the servitor to work to see the effect. Since doing this drug trafficking has increased within the building by double and the gangs of crack dealers outside have chosen the front of the building as their new selling ground, despite heavy police patrols. Further, O.D.s of tenants within the building have increased from about one every six months to about three every six months.
I am not a neo-pagan and I see no spiritual meaning in magick. I thank those who sought to defend my right of belief and I respect those who think I'm a loon, either way though it matters little to me. Rather than debate the reality of magick or right to personal delusion I would prefer to have some ideas to make this game more interesting.
I am willing to answer questions about my beliefs, but I would like some suggestions on what to try for at the fall festival.
Anonymous 1246803710ee982ec28b15c98870d121 (OP) replied with this 1 month (2008-10-16 09:44:40 UTC) ago, 52 minutes later (#70,761):
Realized I missed answering a question.
Anon wrote: OP, can you do any kind of reproducible experiment to prove that your magic does. . . anything at all? Does your magic (unlike, say, Christianity) have any predictable, measurable effect on the real world?
Magick if done correctly should have the same or at least similar results each time a given working is used. If a working succeeds once then can't be repeated it means that the operator screwed up along the way. As for real world results, that's a matter of opinion. Magick functions along coincidences, a series of events that just happen to work out in a way that achieves one's initial goal.
In the real world I've had a girl who never touched drugs in her life die from an O.D. soon after I put a curse on her. After another working I found myself being hounded by potential mates, including my sister, even though I would not be considered hansom in the slightest bit. After an exorcism of a house that I performed, the "ghost cat" that everyone who visited there saw was no longer seen.
Of course all these things could be explained rationally too, so I can't prove that my workings brought about the results or not. Only that I did obtain that which I desired soon after each working.
On the other hand I have done a number of workings that either didn't work at all or ended in the results I had not intended. In such cases I tweak the working a little and try again until I succeed, then I reattempt it a few years later to see if the results stayed the same or whether the first success was a fluke.
Of course if it is all simply make believe and delusions, then all my results are simply random events that for what ever reason worked out for me. Either way I get results and have fun trying to make them happen.
Likely not the concrete answer you were hoping for anon, but at least it's an honest one.
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