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Topic: Why all of the hate on Jews?

Anonymous A started this topic 9 months (2009-07-03 11:54:?? UTC) ago (#28,816):

I never understand why all of the hatred is on the Jewish people? Most Jews seem pretty nice and perhaps nicer and more intelligent than some of the Christians or Muslims. Why do people hate Jews and why is all of the blame on them? Why do people even claim you're 'brainwashed' by the 'Jew media'?

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-03 12:09:?? UTC) ago, 15 minutes later (#172,312):

I hate all Religions

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-03 12:13:?? UTC) ago, 5 minutes later, 20 minutes past creation (#172,313):

This is because of religious reasons. Christianity has long been very antisemitic religion, despite Jesus being a Jew. You should look up what horrible antisemitic vitriol Martin Luther (the German religious reformer, not the US-American civil rights activist) wrote. There is a book by him called "Of the Jews and Their Lies". If one is a protestant Christian, one should be aware of what kind of teachings he advocated.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-03 15:17:?? UTC) ago, 3 hours later, 3 hours past creation (#172,356):

(Citing a non-existent or external reply.)

I hope you don't procreate.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-03 17:09:?? UTC) ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours past creation (#172,397):

Because religion doesn't like competition.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-03 17:54:?? UTC) ago, 44 minutes later, 6 hours past creation (#172,423):

Because the Jews are (were) a people in exile and they entered various cultures with other dominant traditions and religions.
They were also a group with a strong identity, which made them stand out in those different cultures thus making them the ideal scapegoat.

I think the hate for the Jews today is still a mixture of that scapegoating tradition and a reaction against Zionism.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-03 20:43:?? UTC) ago, 3 hours later, 9 hours past creation (#172,494):

If there's any connection between Protestants and Jews, it's that wright wing Protestants are the most blind supporters of Israeli politics. True, that's because they want Israel to end up in an all out war, as predicted in the Book of Revelation, which Israel will loose, also as predicted in the Book of Revelation. If I was an Israeli Jew, I'd take that as a sign that changing policy to something wright wing Protestants will object to might be a good idea. Even so, these Protestants support both Jews, Zionists, and Israel, and can hardly be accused of being the cause of anti-Semitism in modern time.

Actual anti-Semitism has two causes, as I see it:

Let me start the first cause off with an unfortunately necessary disclaimer: This is not meant to be derogatory to Jews, but merely to point out what I believe to be an actual contributing factor to anti-Semitism, a form of racism that I loathe along with all the other forms.

So, the first cause: It's the fact that Jews are the lousiest immigrants ever seen. Less will to adapt to the local culture is impossible to find. The evidence for this? It's 1800 years since they emigrated from Israel, they were spread across the entire planet, and they still see themselves a single people, and as distinct from the people who's country they live in. If anti-Semitism had come first, and been followed by this non-integration, it would be understandable. It's always been this way, though. Even before the Second Diaspora, many Jews settled in other countries. Unlike other migrants, they never made any attempt to integrate, and never were integrated. The Second Diaspora (the expulsion from Israel by the Romans) didn't change that. Today you can find Jews who are proud of this strong sense of identity, and rightly so; it's an impressive thing. However, when it comes to avoiding conflict with the original inhabitants, it's a seriously bad move.

The second cause is more sinister, and goes by the name of politics. Politicians and other leaders are always in the market for scapegoats, and the Jews were the best ones around. To make it worse, the more you're scapegoated, the better a scapegoat you become. Kings, bishops, noblemen, merchants, mayors, guild leaders, judges, parliaments, governments, they've all used the Jews as scapegoats whenever they needed one.

These two causes worked "well" together, one strengthening the other, until things came to a grotesque peak in WW2.

Then there's modern criticism of Israeli politics. This isn't anti-Semitism, though there are many who are trying to turn it into that. Racist hate groups are obviously among those. More surprisingly, so are Jewish interest groups, probably under the misguided belief that branding all criticism as anti-Semitism will stop the criticism. Unfortunately, it's working. People are told that Jews and Israeli politics are one and the same thing. Most won't believe a hateful racist making that claim, but what the Hell are they supposed to believe when Jewish interest groups are making it? Surely, if the representatives of the Jewish ethnic group claim an identity between Jews and Israeli politics, it must be true?

This card of identifying Jews with Israel, playing upon the moral capital from the Holocaust, is also played against politicians, and they cave every time. It's played against the media, and they cave every time. It's played against the entertainment industry, and they cave every time. It's even been played against art, and art has caved! It's starting to piss people off. Since Jews are often holding high positions within media and entertainment, there's also a perception of Jews sitting at both sides of the table. This is starting to piss people off.

When people are forced to accept Israeli war crimes, oppression, occupation, etc., or be branded anti-Semitic, a lot of people will find themselves forced to accept the brand. I am myself close to the point where I'll no longer debate the point on whether I'm being anti-Semitic when I criticise Israel. If a Jew wants me to identify him or her with atrocities, I'll comply. If they try to identify all Jews with atrocities… Well, so far I've objected. That may not last forever.

Regardless of what I do, the current policies of Israel and Jewish interest groups are becoming an all new cause of anti-Semitism, and doing so entirely needlessly. That's just a fact. Anti-Semitism is a tragedy that simply plays on, and on, and on, and… Well, you get it.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-03 21:34:?? UTC) ago, 51 minutes later, 10 hours past creation (#172,510):

There are two major types of Jews: orthodox religious Jews, and ethnic non-religious Jews. The first group are the nice ones you see and meet, I agree they are pretty cool people. The second group are pretty much atheists/hedonists who are ancestrally Jewish. They're the ones trying to infiltrate the government, there the one's who own the biggest porn sites and corporations, they're the ones that promote smut and filth to make a buck, they're the ones that form inner circles, etc. These are the ones people hate, and with good reason. They've been parasites throughout all of human history, cowards, kissing ass to whoever is in charge, trying to climb the ranks while contributing nothing of their own, etc.

Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 09:55:?? UTC) ago, 12 hours later, 22 hours past creation (#172,891):

Because Jews are elitists in America, they feel they are truly God's chosen people and they can do no wrong. They love playing the victim card even though the IDF can kick the ever loving shit out of any country if it wants to. They look down upon gentiles and feel they themselves are a superior race of people. The actions of Israel in the last year hasn't done much to help their image either.

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 10:43:?? UTC) ago, 48 minutes later, 23 hours past creation (#172,907):

@172,494

> If there's any connection between Protestants and Jews, it's that wright wing Protestants are the most blind supporters of Israeli politics. True, that's because they want Israel to end up in an all out war, as predicted in the Book of Revelation, which Israel will loose, also as predicted in the Book of Revelation. If I was an Israeli Jew, I'd take that as a sign that changing policy to something wright wing Protestants will object to might be a good idea. Even so, these Protestants support both Jews, Zionists, and Israel, and can hardly be accused of being the cause of anti-Semitism in modern time.
>
The right wing protestants don't necessarily WANT Israel to end up in an all out war, rather they believe this outcome is unavoidable weather they want it or not. And who can blame them for this belief when so much what we see and hear in media supports that. Granted it might look different in America, I know that your media has a much more right-leaning profile and are used to provide a more positive view on Israel's stance, but in Europe things have been the other way around for a long time. Both France and England (BBC) are known for their anti-Israel bias in media. And French news are forwarded to many other European news sources via their popular notice office Reuters. It takes a much lesser incident in Israel for it to get news coverage, and its always the unconventional things Israel does that gets a mention, while Palestinians are pictured as the victims. The history of the conflict is seldom mentioned and deliberately silenced down, and if it is mentioned the Palestinians are simply referred to as the original inhabitants. The fact that Palestinians are ethnically the same as the people in Jordan are never mentioned. The UN are highly obsessed with Israel and are founding resolutions against them ad nauseum, while ignoring other conflicts with far greater sufferings (counted in death tolls)

And I don't get that "Israel will lose" part. The Christian eschatology is teaching that Armageddon (this war) will lead to Christ ultimately returning to become king of Israel. Granted this will maybe only occur after Israel has become defeated by their own means, or as a last-minute resort. Is this what you meant? In that case you deliberately left out the core point of the story. Israel might lose, or it might look like they're losing, but they will ultimately win, according to these teachings.

Anonymous G replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 16:57:?? UTC) ago, 6 hours later, 1 day past creation (#173,024):

@previous

> It takes a much [you meant "larger", I presume] incident in Israel for it to get news coverage, and its always the unconventional things Israel does that gets a mention, while Palestinians are pictured as the victims.

Here's the thing: The incidents in Israel are minuscule compared to what IDF does in the Palestinian areas. This is beyond all doubt, all you have to do is look at the death tolls (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3694350.stm (Old statistics; it's even worse now)). If anything, incidents in Israel are getting much more attention than the death tolls can justify.

> the Palestinians are simply referred to as the original inhabitants.

They are. Genetically, they are closer to the original Jews than the present Jews are.

> The fact that Palestinians are ethnically the same as the people in Jordan are never mentioned.

When it's never mentioned, that's because it's just propaganda. There has been no hard evidence either way until recently, but now genetic testing is showing that those who claim Palestinian heritage have a higher percentage of certain genes than others in the area. That means that they've been a distinct group, where the preponderance of marriages have been within the group. In other words: A people. Cultural similarities are common between neighbouring populations, because of migration, trade, religion, etc. Naturally, this also reduces the genetic distinctiveness as well, but the statistical differences are significant.

> The UN are highly obsessed with Israel and are founding resolutions against them ad nauseum, while ignoring other conflicts with far greater sufferings (counted in death tolls)

Well, Israel has only ever once followed a UN resolution, and that was the one establishing Israel. They immediately followed that with an illegal land-grab, and have been at it since. When a child won't listen, you must speak again, and again. Normally, you'd end up grabbing hold of a child that's beaten down another child and is now kicking the bloody body, but in this case, the USA has prevented that. If you want an end to the resolutions, you just have to convince Israel to take heed, or the USA to stop protecting the bully.

Funny that you suddenly feel like looking at the death tolls, by the way. Whatever suits you purpose, right?

> you deliberately left out the core point of the story. [Israel] will ultimately win, according to these teachings.

The people of Israel will be killed to the last man, woman and child, with the exception of a few Christian Jews. The "ultimate victory" you're talking about will be the victory of Christians, not of Jews. That's why they want Israel to be aggressive, and that's why they want to convert Jews. Like I said, if I was an Israeli Jew, I'd be very afraid of making any decision that these people agree with…

I'll leave it to you to decide if I left anything out with regard to the fate of Israeli Jews…

Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-05 02:30:?? UTC) ago, 10 hours later, 2 days past creation (#173,322):

Religion is just stupid, and that's why.
I see no reason to fight over religion which many muslims do etc, and I see no point in going to church every week either.
Everybodey "hates" jews cause Hitler did it. Its either just for joke, or for real.

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-05 13:15:?? UTC) ago, 11 hours later, 2 days past creation (#173,620):

Most Atheists who hate Jews do so because they blame them for their own financial woes. As if it's the Jews fault you spent all your money on weed and didn't pay your bills.

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 8 months (2009-07-10 04:11:?? UTC) ago, 5 days later, 7 days past creation (#177,465):

@172,510

> The second group are pretty much atheists/hedonists who are ancestrally Jewish. They're the ones trying to infiltrate the government, there the one's who own the biggest porn sites and corporations, they're the ones that promote smut and filth to make a buck, they're the ones that form inner circles, etc. These are the ones people hate, and with good reason. They've been parasites throughout all of human history, cowards, kissing ass to whoever is in charge, trying to climb the ranks while contributing nothing of their own, etc.

With your second sentence you veer off into Loony-Toon town. They don't "try to infiltrate the government." What a loaded line! They want to take the same advantages to get ahead as you and I. While they may be also found in the porn/smut industry, they are also active in law and the arts. You talk about "inner circles" like you've spent too much time reading comic books (which they they illustrate and publish along with the hard-bound classics).

If anyone hates the Jews, it's because of the irrational emotional messages like the rest of your rant.

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