Topic: Wow. Underage friend was just raped
Anonymous A started this topic 9 months (2009-07-04 05:08:?? UTC) ago (#28,865):
So, I just got a text from one of my friends saying that she passed out drinking with her friend and he was on top of her and holding her arms down. He stuck his dick in her and she got an arm free and hit him in the face and ran. What should I tell her to do? I feel kind of bad, but to be honest she probably deserves it.
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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 05:11:?? UTC) ago, 3 minutes later (#172,708):
Well, that's what happens when you get drunk and passed out at parties. It's her own fault for drinking too much.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 05:11:?? UTC) ago, 9 seconds later, 3 minutes past creation (#172,709):
> but to be honest she probably deserves it.
It's horrible to say that. You should tell her to go to the police, they'll be more concerned about her being raped than about her having been drinking.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 05:13:?? UTC) ago, 2 minutes later, 5 minutes past creation (#172,710):
@previousI agree with you completely, but she's asking me for advice on what to do. I knew it would be smarter to come here for an answer than the "other" place. Any answers are appreciated.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 9 months (2009-07-04 05:14:?? UTC) ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes past creation (#172,712):
@172,709I know it is terrible to say, but she is a little flirt. I think that might be best, but I don't see how she could prove that it happened. Thank you for replying.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 05:21:?? UTC) ago, 7 minutes later, 13 minutes past creation (#172,714):
@previousI think if she goes to the hospital they can perform a rape test on her to see if she was infact raped.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 05:23:?? UTC) ago, 2 minutes later, 15 minutes past creation (#172,715):
@previousThank you, I hope she does that. I don't like when people take advantage of others like that.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 05:43:?? UTC) ago, 20 minutes later, 35 minutes past creation (#172,725):
@previousYour whore friend probably liked it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 06:22:?? UTC) ago, 40 minutes later, 1 hour past creation (#172,760):
(Citing a non-existent or external reply.)
15 or 16, I don't really remember exactly.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 06:33:?? UTC) ago, 10 minutes later, 1 hour past creation (#172,765):
Well - She could either take advantage of the situation or play victim. It's up to her.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 06:41:?? UTC) ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours past creation (#172,772):
Although it's true that what she did was stupid, she didn't deserve that. >.<
Get the police involved, and beat down that motherfuckers ass with some justice.
It is NEVER the VICTIMS fault, hence the reason they are a victim.
Also rapists are sick fucks and all deserve to suffer horrible fates, (Variety in such things is preferable).
Basically
1)Confirm story, by talking to your friend (victim) over the phone or in person.
2)Go to police
2b)If police cannot for some reason be involved, find the fucker that tried to rape her and scare the shit out of him (don't use violence, sure it's more fun, but it's best to keep the law and moral right-of-way on your side.)
3)Make sure the asshole gets his comeuppance.
3b)If you are a moralfag like myself, have a serious talk with your friend about the whole underaged alcohol partying thing. Chances are they might be more willing to listen to the voice of common sense after they just got RAPED because of drinking/etc.
4)Just don't be a dick, support your friend.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 08:15:?? UTC) ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours past creation (#172,820):
It's probably a lesson that she needed to learn. The drinking age is 21 for a reason. If you're a 14 year old girl and you want to get drunk with a male 'friend', then be prepared to face the consequences.
Anonymous F replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 08:16:?? UTC) ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours past creation (#172,821):
I suppose you feel the boy should not get the consequences of the sexual attempt?
The drinking is not the issue here, the rape is. That's blaming the victim - A short step from "She deserved it for wearing such a slutty skirt."
Anonymous H replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 09:08:?? UTC) ago, 52 minutes later, 4 hours past creation (#172,869):
@previous> I suppose you feel the boy should not get the consequences of the sexual attempt?No, actually I feel he's as brain-dead as she is, if not more.
> The drinking is not the issue here, the rape is. Well, what events led to the rape?
> That's blaming the victim Actually, it's called expecting people to take responsibilities for their actions.
> A short step from "She deserved it for wearing such a slutty skirt."The last time I checked, there are no regulation laws mandating the use of "slutty skirts". Can an addiction to "slutty skirts" send you to rehab? Can the wearer of said skirt be sent to prison for running people over and killing them?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 09:45:?? UTC) ago, 37 minutes later, 5 hours past creation (#172,884):
She's probably fucked about fifty guys anyway. The kind of girls who intoxicate themselves to the point of unconsciousness at parties are complete social whores anyway, regardless of whether or not they wanted to have sex that particular time.
I suggest not telling the police, because the "rapist" will be found guilty of rape, and there's no way of telling what actually happened. Drinking skews your memory - she may have been up for it with her beer goggles on. Who knows?
Anonymous I double-posted this 9 months (2009-07-04 09:55:?? UTC) ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours past creation (#172,892):
@172,772You have no clue, do you? Stuff like this happens all the time - I've known people have sex at parties and not remember the next morning. By the sounds of it, if he ran away as soon as she hit him, there wasn't a struggle for him to get her clothes of. You can't rule out that she was lying there in a sexually disadvantageous position, and the "rapist", possibly equally as drunk as she was, took advantage of that.
The evidence is in the fact that he ran away as soon as she hit him. Wouldn't most rapists expect that and continue anyway, seeing as rape is an act of violence? I'm not saying she
wasn't raped, I'm just saying that we can't rule out the possibility, and seeing as the guy will almost definitely be found guilty with little or no evidence, it really isn't fair to get the police involved.
Her memory of when she was passed out isn't reliable enough to ruin somebodies life, and even if it was, it was still
partially her fault for being in that position.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 10:49:?? UTC) ago, 54 minutes later, 6 hours past creation (#172,909):
I think the cunt was stupid, didn't get raped.
She got drunk, hit on some guy and is revolted by herself so she thinks she was "raped".
OP, tell that stupid fucking cunt to be lucky she's not actually raped by a fucking sadist, though she does she deserve it.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 11:42:?? UTC) ago, 53 minutes later, 7 hours past creation (#172,914):
The cops won't touch this with a bargepole. Too many elements which may have implied consent.
See if you can get her into some kind of counselling as that would probably prove to be more productive, give her all the support she needs.
It's all you can do. That plus getting her some help with her drinking.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 14:10:?? UTC) ago, 2 hours later, 9 hours past creation (#172,949):
What really happened:
-Girl and guy get drunk together.
-Girl sends out flirty signals, guy takes the hint and sees chance to get laid.
-They continue their drinking and flirting; eventually the drunk guy decides to try sex.
-She starts attacking him, he pulls out and thinks "what the fuck?" as she runs away.
-He wonders what he did wrong and hopes he doesn't get into trouble.
-Girl plays victim, calls it rape, doesn't realise that she was just as active a participant as he.
I feel sorry for both of them; youth can be confusing. If they were both under-age I don't think much will happen at the cops. If only the girl is under-age, then in a lot of countries that is statutory rape, even with the girl's consent. Anyway, that's only because the law is fucked up. The girl shouldn't go to the police. If she does, she's a bitch and will risk ruining a guy's life over a misunderstanding.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 14:17:?? UTC) ago, 7 minutes later, 9 hours past creation (#172,951):
And moral of the story: It's stupid to get drunk, especially when you're only 15. Let them sort it out themselves, they all deserve whatever they get.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 14:34:?? UTC) ago, 17 minutes later, 9 hours past creation (#172,956):
The bitch deserved it.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 18:05:?? UTC) ago, 4 hours later, 13 hours past creation (#173,058):
There is no such thing as rape. Its all just a state of mind.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 18:10:?? UTC) ago, 5 minutes later, 13 hours past creation (#173,062):
@previousRape is sexual intercourse without consent.
so yes, rape does exist.
Anonymous K replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 18:12:?? UTC) ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours past creation (#173,063):
@previousDon't bite. the poster you cited is obviously just trying to be a smartarse.
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-04 18:41:?? UTC) ago, 30 minutes later, 14 hours past creation (#173,091):
The trouble is that "passing out" may not be what she did. When you drink, you can black out, do rather embarrassing things, and then snap back, believing that you had passed out and just woke up. You may then find yourself in some rather surprising circumstances, and it may feel very unfair that it's your own fault, when you can't remember the how and why, but it's still your fault. Just like the guy isn't innocent just because he doesn't remember what he did, the girl isn't a victim just for not remembering what she did.
In this case, the conundrum is "Did she pass out, or did she black out?" If she didn't pass out, she may have been too drunk to give true consent, or she may have been to drunk to voice objections. The question then becomes "How drunk was he?" If he was to drunk to recognize how drunk she was, he may also have been incapable of giving true consent; and, as the law applies to one, it should apply to the other. The only way this is a clear-cut case of rape is if she was completely passed out, or if he was considerably less drunk than she was.
Unfortunately, a court of law is unlikely to bother with these distinctions, and it will be nearly impossible to prove which applies. Given the choice between acquitting with no evidence and convicting with no evidence, jurors and (especially) judges will too often go with the latter.
The only thing I can say for certain is that they were both complete idiots. She was patently more drunk than any sentient being should allow herself to get. He was either so drunk as to prove himself a moron, or he showed extremely poor judgement in not realizing/caring about how drunk she was. If I was the judge, they'd both find themselves locked up in an asylum for imbeciles…
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 9 months (2009-07-05 12:37:?? UTC) ago, 18 hours later, 1 day past creation (#173,602):
He was holding her arms down, that doesn't sound very consensual…
Anonymous Q replied with this 9 months (2009-07-05 16:57:?? UTC) ago, 4 hours later, 1 day past creation (#173,694):
@previousTrust me, that happens consensually all the time. I also presume that if he did it to subdue her, he wouldn't have let her go when she started objecting.
Anonymous F replied with this 8 months (2009-07-07 06:28:?? UTC) ago, 2 days later, 3 days past creation (#174,693):
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If she attacked my wife, I betcha I'll rape her hard before anything else.
Anonymous I replied with this 8 months (2009-07-07 20:38:?? UTC) ago, 14 hours later, 4 days past creation (#175,074):
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Nobody is contesting that. We're debating whether or not it was rape, you fucking neanderthal. Risking an innocent man being sent to jail for several years when there's a large chance he did fuck all wrong isn't a good idea.
Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 8 months (2009-07-08 17:01:?? UTC) ago, 20 hours later, 4 days past creation (#175,966):
If she was passed out and remembers opening her eyes and seeing him on top of her, that is rape.
There is no way that is not rape, alcohol or not.
Anonymous J replied with this 8 months (2009-07-08 17:02:?? UTC) ago, 1 minute later, 4 days past creation (#175,967):
@previousIt's her own fault though.
She got drunk and passed out, she's lucky there wasn't a train run on her.
Anonymous I replied with this 8 months (2009-07-08 18:45:?? UTC) ago, 2 hours later, 5 days past creation (#176,028):
@175,966People "black out" while still conscious and mobile, if they are under the influence of alcohol. It's essentially cut down the middle - the odds of whether or not it was rape are pretty much fifty-fifty. When you consider that the court will be far more likely to convict him than not, it isn't morally acceptable to get the police involved.
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 8 months (2009-07-09 00:08:?? UTC) ago, 5 hours later, 5 days past creation (#176,285):
@previous> People "black out" while still conscious and mobile, if they are under the influence of alcohol. It's essentially cut down the middle - the odds of whether or not it was rape are pretty much fifty-fifty. When you consider that the court will be far more likely to convict him than not, it isn't morally acceptable to get the police involved.Agreed 100%.
Especially if she has ever blacked out before.
Since she does not remember what happened up to the sex, she may have consented (or at least not said no) before she "woke up" and decided she didn't want to have sex any more.
If she goes to the police he may or may not go to jail, but it will show up on both their permanent records, and it will fuck him over for the rest of his life. Just having been accused of rape is enough to get you denied of jobs and maybe even kicked out of school.
Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 8 months (2009-07-09 21:50:?? UTC) ago, 22 hours later, 6 days past creation (#177,189):
If she passed out, it was rape…taking advantage of an incapacitated person who cannot give consent. If she blacked out the perp couldn't tell she was incapacitated. No harm, no foul. It would be up to any witnesses to say which.
Let's hope the perp was under aged as well, or it becomes rape no matter what.
Given the limited info presented, it looks more like rape, but there may be difficulty bringing it to trial or getting a conviction if it were brought to trial.
Both parties may be a lot smarter now than before.
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