Topic: Dear Sysop,

Anonymous bdfc876594baf24bdbe88b7c56cd447c started this discussion 5 months (2008-06-29 07:51:56 UTC) ago:

How anonymous are we? Hypothetically speaking, say someone were to post a very specific threat, giving the location and time, and the police/FBI/CIA try and get said retard's information from you.. will you give it to them?

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Anonymous ffdb6ed49c182dfa9ede3bbe59127c2b replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 08:09:52 UTC) ago, 18 minutes later (#29,392):

Eh I'd wager he would. I would too. However, this is a valid question and I too would love to know the answer.

Sysop replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 11:42:23 UTC) ago, 4 hours later (#29,401):

No. I would refuse. Plus all IP addresses are deleted within a month on the server, so they'd have to be quick… But then again, they will probably use your ISP's log or something instead, which is beyond my control.

Anonymous d64f049a6c7ea7e433fcccda7e95d1f5 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 12:02:34 UTC) ago, 20 minutes later (#29,405):

ISPs only log IP addresses, not content. I doubt that would be enough to do anything at all, it's just not conclusive enough to count as evidence.

Sysop replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 12:06:50 UTC) ago, 4 minutes later (#29,406):

@29,405

How do you know? I'm pretty sure they log individual HTTP actions such as POST and the URL, time and IP address. From that, it is trivial to "prove" that you sent a certain message…

Then again, I don't really know for sure either…

Anonymous c1a3d01f22cb767349d50d40b21c62c4 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 14:02:10 UTC) ago, 2 hours later (#29,425):

This only applies to Americans, but may prove useful — or be of interest, to some. ☺

§ 2703. Required disclosure of customer communications or records
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2703.html

§ 13032. Reporting of child pornography by electronic communication service providers
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode42/usc_sec_42_00013032!000-.html
(Insert 4 dashes in place of the ! in the URL above, due to "Error: The body contains the banned phrase" imposed content filtering.)

From my experience, American ISPs don't keep logs of anything other than just what is required for billing purposes, and don't retain them longer than just what would be needed for billing disputes (about 30 to 60 days). Comcast however has publicly announced that it will begin to retain logs "that map IP addresses to user identities for 180 days, up from its current policy of 31 days." (The company did stress that it does not record information such as "Internet use or Web surfing habits.")

Anonymous 3af3190938109f8c675d049d76a69ad5 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 14:13:09 UTC) ago, 11 minutes later (#29,427):

@29,406

At least here it doesn’t work this way. They just log your IP.

Sysop replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 14:15:52 UTC) ago, 3 minutes later (#29,428):

@29,427

Where is "here" and how exactly do you know this?

Anonymous 3af3190938109f8c675d049d76a69ad5 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 14:26:03 UTC) ago, 10 minutes later (#29,438):

@29,428

"Here" is Brazil. And I know it through researches and speaking with someone who worked with ADSL Provider/Authentication Service (He knew what he was talking about), one of the largest in this country. He also told me that they don't quite keep the track of the IPs, they are doing it more recently because the government's fight against pedophiles on Orkut.
But, you know… 3rd country is 3rd country.

Sysop replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 14:34:22 UTC) ago, 8 minutes later (#29,448):

@29,438

> 3rd country is 3rd country

Huh?

Anonymous 3af3190938109f8c675d049d76a69ad5 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 14:38:08 UTC) ago, 4 minutes later (#29,451):

3rd world country.*

I'm sorry, I just came home and I didn't sleep this last night.

Anonymous c1a3d01f22cb767349d50d40b21c62c4 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 15:47:09 UTC) ago, 1 hour later (#29,480):

@29,451

> 3rd world country.

Since when is Brazil considered a 3rd world country? I'd consider it first or at worst second world. The fact you have Internet generally available to everyone, pretty much raises you to first world status in my book. Third world is generally reserved for those nations which are living in the stone age, under brutal dictatorial regimes. When you think third world, think Africa.

Anonymous c1a3d01f22cb767349d50d40b21c62c4 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 15:51:31 UTC) ago, 4 minutes later (#29,482):

@29,480

I should note that during the cold war, the term "second world" principally meant those nations which fell under communist rule — today however, with the cold war ended, the term generally describes those countries which (regardless of ideology) rank between the stone age, and the Westernized nations.

Anonymous 3af3190938109f8c675d049d76a69ad5 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 15:58:34 UTC) ago, 7 minutes later (#29,483):

@29,480

Having internet is nothing when a big part of the population has nothing to eat and doesn't even know how to read or write. Brazil is a fucked up contry.

Anonymous c1a3d01f22cb767349d50d40b21c62c4 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 16:30:55 UTC) ago, 32 minutes later (#29,487):

@29,483

> Having internet is nothing when a big part of the population has nothing to eat and doesn't even know how to read or write. Brazil is a fucked up contry.

I live in the USA, and we too have Blacks (Negroes). When I define your country in mind, I don't define it as Black. If I did, then I would rank it right in there with South Africa. However Brazil was not created by the Blacks, it was created by your people, the people of European descent. And just so you know, the illiteracy rates among Blacks in the USA is just as appalling. Most millionaire Black sports celebrities sign their contracts with an X, unable to write even their own name!

Anonymous 6c062ca5a2d4acf650b5f56471bf6384 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 16:42:41 UTC) ago, 12 minutes later (#29,490):

@29,487

source?

Anonymous c1a3d01f22cb767349d50d40b21c62c4 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 16:54:04 UTC) ago, 11 minutes later (#29,492):

@29,490

> source?

Please redefine in the form of a proper question. For which point did you want me to cite sources?

Anonymous d64f049a6c7ea7e433fcccda7e95d1f5 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-29 17:43:42 UTC) ago, 50 minutes later (#29,497):

@29,406

If it were that simple to prove something, they wouldn't even bother with search warrants. As it is, they're forced to subpoena the ISP for details, so that they can get a warrant to search you property and seize any electronic storage you have.

Anonymous 79bccc249ae672da81f68d89436f2f25 replied with this 5 months (2008-06-30 11:51:29 UTC) ago, 18 hours later (#29,669):

Nothing is anon on the internet.

At least from my point of view.

All your OLD crap which has "gone" off the net.

Its somewhere. Maybe in the "black" zone on the internet. Not even google goes there.

Anonymous 39909bcca850381301d67abb2d06ab1b replied with this 5 months (2008-06-30 12:21:06 UTC) ago, 30 minutes later (#29,671):

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